Jenny Mosher just pointed me to this site. I didn't think people still believed this stuff, but there you have it.
The Flagstaff boys could probably have some good debate on the topic if I remember correctly from the time that the evangelists approached us outside our dorm and Shane took on the Great Debate with them, then continued it inside with Eric and I. Eric, I'd be interested to hear what you think about the whole thing. Anyone else with and opinion is welcome to chime in. Maybe we can get Anon to flame our liberal, academic selves again.
This can't be fake. I wish it were...these kids topics sound ridiculous; it's because they are. But doesn't "My Uncle is Steve and not a Monkey" sound like something a 9-year old would come up with? Follow this link: http://www.tccsa.tc/adventure/fair_ideas.html and you'll get a hundred or so crazy ideas for Creation Science Fair projects. No hoax. And the rest of the original site is FULL of weird fundamentalist stuff, including a tirade against the idea that Jesus was nailed to the cross with only three nails. What??
Here's my favorite part: "This is also the first year that Muslim students from the Al-Jannah Islamic school have been invited to participate; two of their students presented a project on human anatomy entitled "Allah (SWT) Created Me" which, while it was found ineligible for a prize due to a number of Biblical inconsistencies, did win a special Interfaith Outreach ribbon." HAH! Take that Islam!
Posted by: jackattack at January 23, 2004 2:43 PMWell I'm not sure what there is to comment. Either it's fake, in which case you laugh about it and move on, or it's not fake, in which case you laugh about it and move on.
Posted by: Shane at January 23, 2004 6:54 PMThe "Women are Designed for Homemaking" is just priceless.
Posted by: Andi at January 24, 2004 9:30 AMI think it's real. As in, I think that the site is trying to take itself seriously.
You can't knock the little kid projects, I personally think that little girl did a great job proving that Uncle Steve wasn't a monkey. She would have used her father, but he actually DID look like a monkey.
The muslims were probably pretty pissed about the disqualification. They probably have firebombed the convention in the years following 2001.
I would like to see the statistical analysis on the prayer bacterial growth finding. If it stands out above error, one might be forced to believe the finding.
I also loved the saucy "rocks didn't evolve, where did they come from MR DARWIN" project. Well??? I'm waiting MR DARWIN.
As for my religious belief, regardless of when the universe was actually created, it looks many billions of years old. If it isn't then there must still be a reason for it to look that old, so either way, it is worthwhile to investigate the universe as it presents itself.
Posted by: E1st at January 25, 2004 6:08 PMYeah, see, it seems to me that one of the goals of religion in general is to find the Mind of God, i.e. the Divine Truth. Physics, Biology, English - in their own right, these are all ways of doing that.
What astounds me, is the degree to which the writers on this site lash out at the 'ignorance' of the scientific community. I can't imagine anyone in America fearing the loss their system of beliefs so much that they down talk science.
Obviously, I know quite a few 'scientists' who are devoutly religious. The two schools of thought are completely compatible in my mind.
Posted by: Andy at January 25, 2004 8:52 PMThe way I see it, if someone has the ability to take creationist science on Faith, more power to them. My faith isn't strong enough to swallow that stuff. It's hard to avoid what appears to be reality, and if one's devoutness of beliefs allows him to do so, then congratulations, you get a Faith ribbon.
Honestly, I don't feel that the Bible is written as a scientific treatise. That being said, however humanity came about (I still believe by divine intervention), we are qualitatively different than primates.
Posted by: E1st at January 26, 2004 4:41 AMThat's the thing of it though, when does a person have such strong faith in his divine structure (I'm talking Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, whatever) that he loses touch with the world around him? It seems to me that the argument over the American Flag (http://www.objective.jesussave.us/godlyflag.html) and the discussion on Entropy (http://www.objective.jesussave.us/slot.html) ride that line.
How removed from the historical significance of the flag is someone who refers to the abundance of stars as making people think us astrologists and the abundance of stripes mistakenly giving the impression that we're a nation of 'stripe-fetishists' rather than proper God-fearing christians?
But it's not only the symbol or the scientific theory that they feel is wrong. It's a rejection of the source of the symbol and the theory. The site attributes Lord Kelvan's 2nd law of thermodynamics to his devout studying of the bible. Whether this passage in the Psalms inspired Kelvan to concieve this theory or not, either way the site doesn't mention the scientific process and theory that the law was built on. Therefore, it takes the law and makes it Biblical, makes it God's Law.
The real problem here, is that is does this without a full knowledge of the law. The site claims that the theory of evolution goes against the second law, because evolution calls for organisms to become more complex in time. Not only does this argument take the law out of context, but it neglects the part of the law that says entropy rises 'within a closed system.' Of course the law doesn't apply here on Earth, we're not a closed system.
Now, I'm not saying I'm a strong supporter of Evolutionism, I'm only arguing that someone who neglects to consider the idea is losing touch with reality simply because there is such strong evidence for it. And in the end, you can't prove it happened, but neither can you disprove it.
All that said, the argument is worth it just for the graphic of the wolf de-evolved into a chihuahua.
Posted by: Andy at January 26, 2004 10:46 AMYeah, I think this site is real. I think the people on it are serious about their beliefs and that it is not a hoax. The thing about this site is that any intelligent Christian, educated and attentive to thought, can see that this site speaks more against Christianity than for it. The hatred spewed from these men and women who claim to love God speaks more of their devotion to evil than love, for from love only love flows, and from evil, evil. The bible speaks to this, as does Buddhist and Taoist texts. The part I really enjoyed reading was about the Macintosh computers (http://www.objective.jesussave.us/propaganda.html). Not only are these people ignorant with regard to facts, their logic isn't logic at all. Their arguments are equivocations. Ugh. Too much to hope for that people who try to act like objective intellectuals will actually use reasoning skills. They forget that if we are made of God, that God gave us these skills to reason with, not abuse. Well, that's my rant. Frustrates me that these jokers give Christ's message a bad tone. Peace y'all.
Posted by: Johnny Pross at January 26, 2004 11:41 AMI dunno, this guy's logic seems pretty foolproof. As an example, I will use this form of logic to infer something about Andy: Andy uses green on his website. Trees are also green. Therefore, Andy must be a tree. What did I tell you? Take that Plato.
Posted by: jackattack at January 26, 2004 6:02 PMI don't know, I always felt like apple computers were evil. Now I know why.
Posted by: E1st at January 28, 2004 4:30 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that site is fake. That doesn't make the opinions expressed within it (which ARE real and are held by people) any less absurd or amusing though.
Posted by: jankowski at January 23, 2004 1:26 PM